: Then maybe he's the smartest one of the bunch.

LM: Right now he's sitting at home. He's probably smarter. And I hate it that he's not at the races, but I understand it. Towards the end of last year, they were saying, 'Ah, he doesn’t have it anymore." Bullshit. He's got it. He just doesn’t have the drive because he doesn’t have the money to do it right.

: He just doesn’t want to lose money. He's a businessman, too.

LM: That's exactly right. He's a good businessman.  

: And it’s probably breaking his heart that it is the way it is. He'd probably love to be out there still with everybody.

LM: Exactly. It's killing him. I know he hates it. I talked to him about three weeks ago. He understands that we've got to do what we've got to do to survive. But he's got people that work for him. He's trying to make a living for all of 'em. It just happens to be that it’s not in running Pro Stock. Someday I'm going to have to do that, I'm going to have to realize that there's got to be something else in our world and it's not Pro Stock drag racing. I know that's coming. It's going to happen someday. It's like the sport moved but the money didn't.

I have to blame a little of that on the NHRA by not making sure the teams are funded well enough, like NASCAR does. NASCAR makes sure those guys have the money to keep doing it. What they count on in drag racing is the people that are well-funded teams – businessmen like Schumacher and Kalitta – those guys have businesses that keep their teams going. And it’s not like that in NASCAR. NASCAR makes sure those guys have the funding to put on a show. And I don’t think drag racing's that way.

: Most of those drivers in NASCAR are paid drivers. That's all they do. You guys pay to race. And that's a huge difference.

LM: Exactly.

: And NHRA, with all its various classes, seems to be broad but not deep.

LM: Absolutely.

: One of the rumors is that the NHRA is shopping the pro categories with the intention of separating the pro classes from the sportsman classes. Would that be a good idea if that happened?

LM: I think that the day that the sportsmen get broken away from professional racing, it'll be the end of drag racing. You can't have a show going on without the sportsmen there. We can't continually run a pro category; they can't keep the show going all the time. You have to have fill-ins. And I'm not talking bad about the sportsmen racers. I'm a sportsman racer. I run Pro Stock, that's all. You have to have something going on all the time. I think they would be in trouble if they did away with the sportsman racers.  

DRO: Would you be opposed to a show that was all-pro but the format was changed so it didn’t have so much down-time?

LM: They would have to show me how that would work. Would be opposed to it, because I know where drag racing came from, and as whole, I think they should stay together.

: Something like that would change the whole face of the sport, wouldn’t it?

LM: I'm not opposed to the face of the sport changing, because you know what? I think they need to do something. It's none of my business how they do it, but I think the cost of the fans coming to the races ought to be cut back so they can get more people to come. If you have a program going and it cost $70 to get in on Sunday versus, let's say, $40, you’re going to get two $40 guys and make it look better for the show. And that guy's going to eat – you’re going to have twice the sales of the food. If they're going to be there eight hours, they're going to eat something. So you’re going to double the sales of what the concessions are and the T-shirt sales. And that, in a roundabout way, is going to make everything better for everybody. The vendors are going to make more money. The tracks are going to make more money. The NHRA is going to make more money, because they're going to have more people come back. I mean, our shows are horrible anymore, because there's not that many fans out there.