: How do you want to be remembered?

TM: Oh man, I don’t know. I suppose as someone who always did their best with what they had to offer with the sport and tried to promote it, with publicity and money and helped to make it better, and all the little stuff I got involved with: the safety stuff and the tires, and the aerodynamics and all that kind of stuff. I could hold my own, driving-wise, and I ran a few good races, got some good publicity. The main thing, though, is making a living doing something I liked to do.

: Were you a better businessman or a better driver?

TM: I was a better driver than businessman. If I was a better businessman, I wouldn’t be working today.

: I’ve got some photographs here. I’d like you to go through them and just give me your impressions of them.

One of the swoopiest early fuelers was the Adams/McEwen “Shark” car

TM: Okay, this is a picture of the Shark car. This was a Fuller car with Gene Adams and myself. I started driving for Gene Adams in the Albertson Olds car when Leonard Harris got killed at Lions. I started driving that car for Gene Adams as an Oldsmobile gasser. He and I did real well. Ran a bunch of cars. Shark was one of the first body cars with kind of a neat looking tail on the back. That’s the car that I talked him into taking to Bakersfield, put 25% gas in it and we beat Garlits.

Okay, I think car here is the McEwen and Bivens trick-front-end Woody car. Striped car with the front end that they claimed would never do a wheelstand. It did. But it was something new that we were trying with  Jerry Bivens of the Bivens and Fisher car, after they sold that car, I think that his motor was in this car. I think we ended up selling this car to Bernstein or somebody years later. I’m not sure though.